Interview with Dave Matrise, vocalist/guitarist of

Brutal death metal. What else is there to say? Sorry about the lack of pics! We added some shots of the lovely Asia Carerra to break up the empty space. Enjoy!

Interviewed by Al Kikuras. The ladies are courtesy of Wicked Pictures.

Al: When and how did Jungle Rot form?

Dave: We formed back in '91 by our guitarist, Jim Bell. He knew a couple of other guys that stuck it together and I heard of them and then I seen 'em and I joined myself back in '91. We released a small demo, Rip Off Your Face. We did about 500 copies and it seemed everything went good and people liked what we had going and then we released our next full-length demo, Skin The Living, and that sold trememdously and that brought us to today. Slaughter the Weak.

A: Is it a conscious decision not to use blast beats in Jungle Rot's music?

D: Yeah, it's not that we don't like it, it's just that there's so much of that going on today. When we started back in '91, it seemed that was the era of grindgore. There was so much of that going on and we wanted to be a band that was totally opposite of that. You'd go see 10 bands play and all 10 bands sounded the same....

A: Usually like Suffocation.

D: Yeah, (laughs) I mean, I love Suffocation. I love all that stuff, it's just that everyone wants to do that thing. I don't know why, but... I've always said that kind of grind music was selfish music. It's not for people to listen to, it's for musicians to play (laughs). That's what I've always said. I'm probably wrong, but (laughs).

A: Well, if there's 10 bands doing it and people are going to see the show, then it must be somewhat the other way around as well.

D: (laughs) Yeah...

A: Who is the band you would say Jungle Rot sounds the LEAST like, or any modern musician or artist?

D: Uhhh... I'd say we sound the least like Slayer, that's for sure... (laughs)

A: You mean current Slayer, or ANY Slayer?

D: Any Slayer.

A: Any Slayer??

D: Yeah.

A: Naaah. I think you sound less like Celine Dion than Slayer...

D: (laughs loudly) I don't even listen to that shit, man.

A: Well, it's kind of hard not to get exposed to it.

D: Yeah. It's on every channel...

A: Tell me about the Jungle Rot comic book you have coming out.

D: Yeah, that comic book should be cool. Dave Horner from S.O.D. (Sounds of Death) put that all together. It's based on our mascot, Sgt. Rot, we call him... the guy that's on the cover. He had the idea to come up with it and he did the whole comic book. Him and his partner, they wrote a whole script and everything to do with it. I think it's about him running through the jungle and just raping and mutilating and torturing people and the CD is going to have 4 studio tracks and 4 live ones, so it is actually like a full-length. It's going to be kind of nice!

A: Are you a fan of comic books yourself?

D: Oh, yeah!

A: What are you into?

D: I like the basics, man. The superheros (laughs). I like that stuff. I grew up on them, I still read them to today. I mean, I like all that stuff! I never really checked out the gore ones. I know there is tons of those out there. Our artist does a lot of porno-grind, I mean, that porno-comic stuff. He does a lot of that stuff. I've seen some of his shit, it's kind of crazy! (laughs)

A: You cover Carnivore on that, right?

D: Yeah.

A: What's your opinion of what Peter Steele is doing now in Type O Negative?

D: I think it's cool. I mean, it's good to see him still going. It seems he changed his veins a little bit. He's a vampire now, from a... warlord (laughs loudly). Whatever rocks him, right? But Peter Steele's still... he rules! He jams. We all grew up on that old Carnivore when we were starting out. We're from that '84-'85 scene so that was something that we wanted to always cover. We thought that's be cool 'cause you don't see no bands doing Carnivore covers.

A: Very few. Solstice did one, actually.

D: Did they really?

A: Yeah, they did "Suck My Dick."

D: Cool! That'd be a good one, man!

A: It was a really good cover.

D: Yeah.

A: You mentioned that your artist does a lot of porn comics?

D: Yeah.

A: Our site actually focuses on porn and music. We do interviews with porn stars and porn reviews as much as we do death metal and black metal and stuff like that. Are you a fan of pornograhy at all?

D: Oh yeah!

A: Any favorite stars or movies?

D: I like that one... uhhh... what's her face, let me think of her name real quick... the Chinese one.

A: Asia Carrera? (she's actually Vietinamese-American)

D: Yeeeah!!! That's her.

A: We interviewed her for our last issue.

D: Wow! She's a fox, man!!

A: Yeah, she most definitely is! She actually left the business.

D: Really?? Why?

A: There was a recent AIDS scare... like 4 or 5 major stars got AIDS recently and there is a lot of worry within the whole business that it has spread because they work with a lot of different people.

D: Sure! Well, you can only do so many movies then you get out. I know she's probably got, fuck, what... 2-300? (laughing) I mean, she's got some titles under her belt. She's always a favorite of mine. Something about her looks... she's got good looks!

A: Any others?

D: Uhhh... pretty much just her, man. She rings my bell a lot (laughing). I kind of watch everything that she's got to do with. I follow her.

A: Have you seen Pornogothic?

D: No.

A: It's a new one she's in that was just released.

D: Is that like "the last one?"

A: Well, stars like that, with that big of a name, tend to have stuff coming out constantly, but the last thing we received with her was Pornogothic. It's all about vampires and stuff like that.

D: Oh, cool!!

A: It's alright, to be honest...

D: I'll check it out, though.

A: Don't spend too much money on it if you see it.

D: (laughs)

A: What's your opinion of black metal?

D: Uhhh.... I hate it. I'm not into that skunk-paint shit at all man...

A: (laughing) Skunk paint??

D: Yeah, I mean, it's good to see that the market's turning for it, but it's another thing like that grind thing. I mean, it all sounds the same. Maybe I don't have ears for black metal, but I can't get into it. I can't relate to it. I don't like the high tuning, and I definitely don't like the skunk-paint (laughs). I totally hate it! It's worthless, man!

A: You guys definitely have a very no-bullshit style of death metal. Really traditional and straightforward. Do you ever see yourselves straying from that sound?

D: No, never.

A: Never?

D: This is our style. I think we've got something that's really good going. It just seems like it's really working and a lot of people are digging it and the buzz is pretty big right now for it. When we started, like I said, it was our whole intention to be different. It seems like it's working. It's finally taking course 7 years later!! (laughs)

A: That's a long time.

D: Yeah!

A: Do you feel that the genre, the death-groove genre, is at all limited with what you can accomplished in it, or do you think you'll constantly have places to go as far as writing new material? Do you ever see it getting redundant?

D: Uhhh... I think it will just progress better and better as far as musicianship and organization. I think it doesn't have too many limitations at all. If we keep the hate and the violence and the groove, I think that's all that counts, you know?

A: Those are the three words?

D: (laughing) Yeah, that's the combo!!

A: I understand you had some problems with Wild Rags Records in the past?

D: (laughing) Uhhh, noo....

A: What happened there?

D: I'd rather not even get on that subject. We really don't want to start a war with no one. I told the truth with Richard C. He knows the truth. I seen his latest issue, that he put me on the cover and totally slandered me. I don't know if you've seen that.

A: No, I haven't seen it.

Jungle Rot. Dave farted. That's what all the green smog is.

D: Yeah, he got me good. He's got my picture on there and he totally slanders me. We saw the truth and I don't even want to step to that limit. I'd just rather let it be dead. We're not much for trying to get shit talking going.

A: Yeah...

D: I mean, he slandered me pretty bad... (laughs). Everything he said was a lie. Bottom line is he was supposed to send us tapes in return, and we never got them. I mean, I guess you could call that a rip-off, right? That's what it is, a rip-off. I said exactly what we said, he ripped us off, and then he freaked out and started talking shit about me, started talking shit about my band. I'm not going to go that way, you know? I have too much class for this band and myself to go that way.

A: You stated in a Sounds of Death interview that Skin the Living had generated some interest from labels "like Pavement, but you had heard a lot of horror stories about them." What had you heard and how did you wind up going with them anyway?

D: Yeah, it seems I really put my foot in my mouth, but I am sure that anybody that was involved with music at that time knows the stories I had heard. Pavement went through some rough times. They lost their major distribution. They went bankrupt. Usually that happens with a lot of labels. You make a lot of bad investments and that's what comes forth. Stuff happens. They got new investors and new distro and I think they are stronger than ever right now. That's why we went with them. Back then, you know... did you hear those stories at all?

A: No, I haven't.

D: Well, I had heard they went through some rough times two years ago. I mean, I know they did. I am sure they know that themselves. A lot of people in the industry know. They just went down for a while. They relocated from Illinois to Arizona.

A: Yeah, I know about that.

D: That was one of the moves that they did. They just really started over. That's how a lot of your labels are... that's a chance you take with investments. Money can always be replaced, you know? Sometimes you make bad investments and sometimes you make good. I just told the truth on that question as well, you know?

A: How has your relationship with them since signing? Have they given you the push you want?

D: Oh yeah! We're very happy with Pavement! They're doing a good job. I think Pavement is one of the better labels out there today because they are actually taking chances with bands. How many labels do you know that are actually signing bands today? Metal Blade has all their grandpas. Roadrunner, same thing. They've got all their old school grandpas and they don't want to take chances today with metal, you know? It's nice to see that Pavement is actually taking chances and giving a step for metal and trying to stay metal, you know? That's a good thing that they're doing.

A: Do you have any guy friends with girly names that you make fun of?

D: (laughing) No, not really... let's see. Mmmmm... no... (laughs again). A lot of people we make fun of though! (laughs)

A: "No" is an answer, that's fine! What is the greatest compliment you have ever received from a fan?

D: Shit, I don't know, let's see. Usually it's just the same old compliments... I can't really say. They're hard to remember really.

A: No one with a tattoo or anything like that?

D: As a matter of fact, there was somebody that had one started out in Boston, when we played out in Boston this year. Some guy had Skin The Living started. That's funny that you mention that. He had that, but it wasn't finished. He is supposed to send me a picture. I guess that would be one of the best things that a fan could do, that's pretty hardcore, man! I'd like to do that myself, but I guess he beat me! (laughs)

A: What curse do you use when you aren't thinking about it? Like what comes out of your mouth when you stub your toe?

D: Fuck!!

A: Fuck??

D: Of course!!

A: I thought of that one right before we did the interview because I stubbed mine and what came out was "fucking whore."

D: Whore?? (laughing) I like that one... that's a beautiful word man...

A: Whore or fuck?

D: Whore!! (laughing) Both of them!

A: (laughing) It's amazing how good it makes you feel when you do something like that and you just curse....

D: Oh, totally!! (laughing hard) I know what you're saying! I feel great right now!! (laughter) I don't know what it is, it's just an expression of hate and hate is power!

A: You guys know about that...

D: Yeah!

A: I understand you were on Pulverizer for a time. What happened with the label?

D: Basically we were never actually signed to them, we did a 50/50 licensing thing. It was a one-pressing deal. That's how Pulverizer pretty much acts, its a one pressing deal. We didn't want to be caught up with that. He just basically paid for his name on the CD. It was one of those deals.

A: Are you still in touch with him?

D: Oh, yeah..

A: 'Cause I had heard that Pulverizer actually went under.

D: Yeah, see? That's another one, see? Just going through bad investments and not making money back. Some of the bands he put out, I'm not going to say which ones they are, he's sitting on them. He can't sell them. He stuck a lot of money in them. If you take two or three bands and you put them out, that's a lot of money you've got to try to make back. You figure, artwork, pressing, everything... recording. You're looking at maybe over $12,000 in three bands, probably more than that, you know? That's a major loss.

A: Have you ever heard of the band Malamor?

D: Oh yeah!

A: What do you think of those guys? They were on Pulverizer for a time, their debut was supposed to come out on that label, but it actually didn't...

D: Yeah, it didn't come out. I think they jam!

A: You like 'em?

D: Yeah, it's a shame that it didn't come out. I mean, it still might, I heard... I don't know...

A: They are working on a deal with another small label that might put it out. The new stuff is incredible, we did an interview with them for our last issue.

D: Yeah, they're the shit man! I like them very much. As a matter of fact, Randy sent me one and asked me what I think of it and I loved it, man. I was telling him "Go for it right away, you'd better grab them!" They're a hot band. It seems like they've got a good buzz going themselves.

A: Yeah, absolutely. Speaking of which, I heard a lot about you guys at Metalfest this year.

D: Ohhhh....

A: What did you think of it? How did your performance go?

D: Uhhhh... what did you hear, first?

A: I heard you guys were really good! I heard it from someone actually just before we did the interview.

D: That's cool!

A: What was your opinion?

D: My opinion: it was excellent. I like the whole atmosphere. It's more of an international thing, in my opinion. It only brings about 25% of the local scene around her and it brings the rest of the people from out of state and overseas. Playing wise, it was kind of rough. They threw us up there and threw us off. I kind of got into a fight with the time guy there on the side of the stage when we were playing. We only got to play 4 songs, man.

A: That sucks.

D: We were supposed to get 30 minutes, we did 15 so we're kind of pissed off. We went out with a vengeance. I told them to fuck off... the people got into it, but sometimes that reflects bad on you. But playing-wise I wish we could have played a bit longer and give the people a little bit more chance to see us good. It just didn't work out for that. But it helped the name, the sales were incredible. In the two days we made very good money, so we were happy with that.

A: Do you have any tour plans?

D: As a matter of fact, Pavement's trying to hook something up right now with Malevolent and Vader. It's possible we might get on that tour. If not, we're going to go out ourselves in October for a 3 week tour on our own. I think we'll pretty much pull the plug after that because the winter's coming. But we're really hoping to get on that Vader/Malevolent Creation tour. That's like 6 weeks, the whole US, so that might be pretty nice.

A: How is your regular job... does that interfere with touring at all?

D: Awww, fuck man! We hate our fuckin' day jobs! Is funny that you bring that up 'cause tommorrow I think I'll be done with my day job.

A: What is it you are doing?

D: I work at a body shop. I'm in the body business, cars and stuff. I've just been working there for like 6 years now and I ain't got a raise in two years now and I'm pretty fed up with it. I think I want out of the business. It's a trade I know I can always go back to and every day I'm there I am thinking about music. I think I'm going to call it my profession and go with music. Stick with the band, push it as far as I can and even just try a music store, anything like that, man. Just something to keep me in music. Our bass player that we got now actually owns a studio that we record in.

A: Where you recorded the new album?

D: Yeah. So, he's got a pretty good job. He owns a recording studio, it's his business. It's just him. He's doen tons of bands out of there. Disinter, I don't know if you've ever heard of them... Gorgasm.

A: Yeah. Gorgasm I have heard of as well.

D: He's done a lot of bands from this area here. I might go to school and doing some engineering and hook up with him for the future, so that'd be kinda nice.

A: Do you think you make enough with Jungle Rot now that you could get by without having a crappy day job?

D: No (laughs). I could get by because I pretty much run the band so I see most of the money. Not to short change 'em, but the way we pretty much do this is it's an investment. It's a payout on the shows, but the merchandise we own ourselves. I pretty much invest most of the money in merchandise so I get most of the money back. They have that opportunity to invest money, but some people are slower than others and I always make sure that I take advantage of everything I can get, because I know what sells, you know? There's money in merchandise, everybody knows that.

A: You've got a lot of it, from what I understand.

D: Yeah, we've got all kinds of it.

A: "Darkness Foretold" is based on the prophecies of Nostradamus, right?

D: Yeah.

As Wicked put it, "Care to join her?"

A: Do you believe in his predictions at all?

D: To tell you the truth, I didn't really know much about it. Dave Horner wrote that song. He wanted to be a part of it, it's coming out on that comic book CD as well, it's one of those studio songs. He likes us a lot. He's totally into that stuff, man. I didn't know much about it until he opened my ears to it and I think I do believe it, man. Anyone that can predict the future and stuff... that's pretty wicked!

A: Did he write the music too, or just the lyrics?

D: No, I wrote the music. He just wrote the lyrics, like 70% of them. Then we just switched them to what we had to do to fit them into the song. Do you like that song?

A: Yeah, very much.

D: That song was totally weird. We needed a song. Pavement wanted to put it out because of the Pulverizer one. The full-length was just like that, and we wanted the bonus so it'd be different and I knew Dave was sending me lyrics. We actually wrote that song in, like, 2 hours man! It was amazing! I got the lyrics, I sat down with the guitar, I put the guitar rightover the lyrics and it was one of those deals that what I put the first time was right and nothing ever switched, know what I mean?

A: Yeah.

D: It was just trememdous. I think it's the best song we got to, man. I totally love it. I hope all the rest of the stuff comes like that one, 'cause that's the shit! (laughs) I think that's the money maker!! If there's money in it, I think that's the one man! (laughing) I'm happy as hell with that song, I think it totally jams. It's got everything in it, man! It's got the power, its got the groove... it's got a tad of the grind in there for just the four count...

A: It has the hate, the violence and the groove...

D: Yup, (laughs) there it is! The killer combo!

A: Is "Murder One" based on any particular individual or is it just a fantasy story?

D: Just a story that we wrote, no individual. We always had dreamt of murdering someone. I don't know what is was that we came up with, it has been so long since we wrote that song. You got that demo?

A: No, it's on Slaughter the Weak.

D: "Murder One??" Oh, yeah!! That's right!! (laughing)

A: (laughs)

D: We put out a small one before we got the album out... we don't really like that song.

A: You don't?

D: You like that one?

A: Yeah, I do. I've only had the album for about a month and a half now.

D: It's buzzing with you?

A: Yeah, I listen to it a lot.

D: That song was another one that was thrown together right away. I think the lyrics make more than the music, it's one of those deals. I think the lyrics will capture a lot more souls than the music will. We just wanted to name a song "Murder One" and we just started writing them... we were just thinking about being the killer and... (laughs) I don't know, no meaning, really...

A: If you could have one person alive today killed with absolutely no repercussions, who would it be?

D: Ohhh, fuck.. let's see (laughs)...

A: You can pick two or three if you really want...

D: (pauses) Fuck... my boss? (laughing) I don't know what to say to that man... but I think it's over tommorrow.. my boss would be one!

A: If you want to give his name and address someone might read the interview and then go...

D: Naaaah, I don't want to go that far! (laughs) Who else is on my hate list? I'm pretty pissed off today... I guess, I hate to say it, Richard C..? I mean, he kind of fucking pissed me off, man! When you see that little Wild Rags thing that he puts out, you'll see! Anyone else... I think that's about it, man. I don't have too many enemies to tell you the truth. Just my boss and that Richard C. He burned me pretty bad.

A: What is the worst question you have ever been asked in an interview?

D: Hmmm.. shit. I don't know. (pauses) The typical "What's Jungle Rot mean?" I mean... do you know what it means?

A: Yeah, I do.

D: It seems that's pretty old. All it takes is for someone to look it up to find out what it means. I'm pretty much sick of that one...

A: What you should do is tape your response once and just have a tape recorder on hand whenever you do an interview and just play it into the phone...

D: (laughs) Yeah! That's in like 9 out of 10 of the interviews with Jungle Rot. "What's Jungle Rot mean?"

A: Yeah.

D: Me, myself, I'd look it up before I ask a question like that, right?

A: Yeah. I'd better cross that one off my list.

D: (silence)

A: Just kidding.

D: (laughs loudly)

A: I'm going to name some bands. If you can, just give me your opinion on them.

D: Cool.

A: Manowar

D: I think they're tremendous. Old school metal, they're still going today. They're selling out everywhere!

A: Morta Skuld

D: I like them very much. European thrash in the US! (laughs) That's what they remind me of.

A: How about Deceased?

D: Deceased? Another old school metal band, 80's thrash.

A: Pantera.

D: I hate... I don't like Pantera. Shit. (laughs)

A: (laughing) "Shit" is the word you'd use?

D: (laughing) Yeah... shit!

A: Malevolent Creation

D: Excellent! I think they're a tremendous speed band! They get better and better with every album! I can't wait to hear the new one!

A: Brett Hoffman is back in the band, right?

D: I'm not sure what's going on with that band now...

A: That's what I've been told.

D: I know they're down here right now with Brian Griffan from Broken Hope at Choice Recording. They're recording here right now or something... I was going to drive down there and see what was up with them and see what exactly is going on.

A: How about Morbid Angel?

D: I like the new one a lot. David Vincent was always an idol. It's a sad thing to see him leave the band. I saw Genitorturers a couple weeks ago. I don't know if you've seen them yet...

A: No, I haven't.

D: He definitely made a statement that he'll never go back to death metal. He cut all his hair off, died it... he looks like a bad Nikki Sixx, like a transvestite. (laughing)

A: Jesus!

D: I don't mean that in a bad way, man, 'cause I love Genitorturers! I'm a big fan of that band.

A: Is he doing any vocals whatsoever?

D: No, none at all. He's just up there headbanging. He looks very happy. He looks like he's totally into it, man, but you would not think it's David Vincent at all.

A: What do you think of Steve Tucker on the new album?

D: I think he did a good job!

A: Have you had a chance to see them live yet?

D: Yeah, I saw them up in Milawukee. I thought they were tremendous. The raves about it have been excellent. Morbid Angel is still Morbid Angel, with Vincent or not. People said "Ohhh, it could never be done" but it sounds just like Morbid Angel to me. I give him props up!

A: How about Death?

D: I am totally disappointed in Death. When they played Metalfest it looked like it was too much of a business thing. It seems like he's got a bunch of hired musicians and it wasn't like a band, you know what I'm saying? It's just Chuck. I don't think bands should be like that. They might as well call it "Chuck, formerly of Death." It just didn't look like it was Death. I think a lot of people were shocked too, man. It just didn't feel like a whole. But old school, I love it, man!

A: They have had a different lineup with every album.

D: I know. It just didn't seem like a complete package, you know what I am saying? You can tell a complete package when you see a band that's up there totally head-whipping. It's just a pure show, like Vader, man... look at Vader, you know what I'm saying? Then you look at Death and they're all standing up there and some people are wearing old cowboy boots and jeans. Come on man, this is metal, you're supposed to plug in and whip, you know?? (laughs)

A: Good quote! Excellent quote!!

D: (laughs)

A: How about Unleashed?

D: A lot of people compare my vocals to that.

A: They do remind me of Unleashed at times.

D: I can feel that, because when I listen to Unleashed I kind of feel myself in his vocals. It's kind of weird. Sometimes I'll be like "Hoooly shit!!" We got that same tone and same rasp. I like Unleashed a lot, they're a tremendous band.

A: What is your opinion of vegetarians?

D: Vegetarians?

A: Yeah.

D: It's their loss! (laughs) I love eating meat! If they don't want to eat meat, it's their loss. I'm a big deer hunter. I love to eat venison, I love to eat any kind of wild game! (laughing) Like I said, it's their loss, man!

A: How do you like your steak?

D: Medium rare. Bloody! (laughs) That's the only way to eat 'em, man!

A: It sounds that way, from Jungle Rot. You sound like a meat eater, without a doubt.

D: We all love meat! We're from Wisconsin, man. We've got meat eaters here! There's been a few...(laughing)

A: Ed Gein!

D: Ed Gein, yup! Dahmer.. who else? We had a few meat eaters?

A: Do you listen to Macabre at all?

D: Oh, yeah! We played with them not long ago in Chicago. A tremendous show with them! They've got a killer cult around here in this area. That's exactly what it is... a cult! The kids have totally memorized the little death rhymes, the nursery rhymes.... they've totally got something good going!

A: I just wish they'd get off their ass and release another album.

D: Yeah.

A: I'm a huge fan of their stuff and I can't get out to Milwaukee to see them. I have videos and stuff, but I am dying to hear something new.

D: Yeah. They're definitely a treat to see! They've got their own thing going, again, you know what I'm saying? It's working good for 'em.

A: I noticed you thanked Eye Gouger on the CD. Are they still together?

D: No.. as a matter of fact, they did a reunion not that long ago at that Chicago Noise Extreme Show... I don't know if you heard of that?

A: The Expo of the Extreme?

D: Yeah, they got a lot of porno people there and shit. I think that was the last show they did. They did a reunion. It was a Chicago thing. There was a lot of Chicago bands on there and it was nice to see that happen. We're good friends with all those guys.

A: I loved Ass Rotor. It's classic. I just had no idea where those guys were or what they were doing...

D: They were a Shy-Town band back in the early '80's. They were above everybody else doing that porno-grind thing. The covers of the work, too, were awesome and the name itself. A tremendous band. Now it's Disinter, I don't know if you know that...

A: No. Those are the same guys?

D: Yeah. The drummer, the guitar player and the other guitar player. They're Disinter now, so they're still going.

A: What are the three ultimate death metal albums, in your opinion?

D: Uhhhh.. I'd say Hell Awaits by Slayer. (pauses) Uhh... there are so many, man! The ones that are the ultimate, that's a pretty famous word, ultimate.. that's hard to match.

A: The ones that are your favorite, then.

D: I like Hell Awaits, I like ObituaryBack From The Dead. I really like that one a lot. Probably Cannibal Corpse, Butchered. I like that one a lot. Just the basic good stuff! (laughs) I love the old school, but the production is kind of weak on it.

A: Are there any albums you were really looking forward to in the last year or so that disappointed you?

D: Uhhh... the one that disappointed me the most was Soulfly. I was kind of curious to see how that was. That and possibly that new Death. I haven't heard it yet, but live... there were just too much arpeggios.

A: Too much arpeggios?? (laughing)

D: Yeah. It seems like the whole new stuff was all arpeggios, man, as far as the rhythms. But my big disappointment was Soulfly. I was really hyped on seeing that.

A: What was the weakness with it?

D: Uhhhh.. just too much tribal shit. I figured he'd totally change his whole style and do something totally power and heavy, and it sounds like Sepultura, man! It sounds like another one off of Roots in my opinion. It seems like he just beat out Sepultura to get his out first. I expected something totally different. I don't know why, but I did!

A: I guess he had a money making thing going, so he wanted to jump on it. Like you said, before Sepultura did.

D: Yeah, that's exactly what he did. I expected something totally to be dominating, go back to the heaviness, but, it was totally opposite. It seemed like he had already done all that tribal shit, but I guess that's his style, you know?

A: Do you see masturbation as a substitute for sex or a completely separate thing?

D: It's a substitute, for sure! (laughs) Sure!

A: Hmmmm... different views. Have you written any material since Slaughter the Weak besides "Darkness Foretold?"

D: Yeah, we have a couple written so far. One of them is complete, it's called "Constrictor." That's one of the new ones...

A: What's that about? A snake?

D: Yeah. A snake in the jungle. It's kind of cool, man.

A: How do you feel it holds up to "Darkness Foretold?"

D: Almost the same way. That same style. We're totally hyped on "Darkness Foretold." I hope all the stuff can come in that air, just like that. The way that's amazing, the way it came together, and that's how this song came. A lot of the time you write songs and you change them 55 times. We wrote this one once on the guitar and it just stuck. We didn't change nothing. Everybody just adapted to it and did their part and it's done. It seems like the easiest ones are the best hits, you know? That's what it seems like works for us.

A: Everybody's got one.. is there a really ugly celebrity that you've always wanted to fuck?

D: (laughs) No, but I've always had this fantasy of just getting a fat black bitch, man! (laughs) A nice dirty one with moo-moos. You know what moo-moos are? The kind that got.. what are them big rings, man?

A: Areola?

D: (laughing) Yeah, that's it, man! I'm talking moo-moos man!

A: I have something for you to hear. I have this album called The Sensuous Black Woman that is exactly what you are talking about. It is a huge, fat black woman talking about sex.

D: (laughing hard) Oh man!

A: It's incredible!

D: I would love it!

A: I'll definitely send you a copy. I want to hear what you think of it. It's a classic!

D: Yeah!! Bring it on, man! (laughing) I don't know why I have that in my mind... maybe it's that three combo of words again. When I think black... I'm not racist or noting, but I think black, nasty, fat, stinky, unshaved, hairy, know what I'm saying?? (laughing) Big moo-moos, man! Areolaes or whatever, man! I'm talking like the size of a...you know what I'm saying, a frisbee dude!!

A: Yeah! (laughing)

D: It's so disgusting! It seems like they're the only ones that get those, right?? (laughing) I don't see no white ones with ones like that. Whatever them things are man!! (laughs)

A: (laughing) Alright, that's about it! I appreciate you taking the time! I'll definitely get a tape of that out, I'll send it this week.

D: Yeah, do that! I'll dig it man! Is there a picture on it?

A: No, no picture... it's like a copy of an old vinyl record from the '70's. Do you know who Rudy Ray Moore is?

D: No...

A: Ever see the movie "Super Fly"?

D: Oh yeah!

A: It's a woman from "Super Fly" and Rudy Ray Moore that put out this album. I just got a tape of it off somebody. It's just a black tape with no label. I had a friend press it on CD so I would have it forever.

D: It's awesome, huh??

A: Yeah! It's phenomenal!

D: I can just picture it, man! I got to hear it!

A: I'll send you a copy. just drop me a letter and let me know what you think of it.

D: I will!

A: Thanks a lot for taking the time!

D: Okay! Thank you very much!

A: No problem!

D: Bye bye!