Chloe: Nonexistant, self-love.
Ruby: Vanilla, variety.
Al: Nonexistant? I heard from a little bird that your off camera-sex life is exciting as on...
Chloe: Did I mention I'm a compulsive liar?
Al: Just now, but when you tell me that, can I believe you?
Chloe: Sometimes I get lucky with a roomful of people or two.
Al: All at once?
Chloe: Absolutely.
Al: How true is it that you are a big fan of fisting and bondage?
Ruby: Chloe loves it and she's gotten me into it in a big way.
Chloe: There's nothing more that i like than a huge hand attached to a guy that really knows how to handle a whip.
Al: Complete this sentence: Fisting and bondage go together like ______ and _______.
Chloe: Fisting and bondage.
Ruby: Chocolate and strawberries.
Al: Not all that imaginative, Chloe, but your point rings loud and clear...
Chloe: like Campbell's Soup. Mmmmm Mmmmmm Good!!
Chloe: It's my charming sense of humor shining through!
Al: So was fisting a gradual process? You discovered you could take more and more or you decided one day "Hey, I want a whole fist!"
Chloe: The one day plan.
Al: Ruby, how long did it take for Chloe to get you into it?
Ruby: About a year, and since then I've gained a lot of control over my vaginal muscles because you have to be able to open and that is a conscious choice.
Al: I know this question is as predictable as a grilled-cheese sandwich, but I have to ask for all of our readers, and myself... are the two of you involved off-camera sexually?
Chloe: We're best friends and we do almost everything together...and she's got a great fist!
Al: Do you remove all jewelry first?
Chloe: We don't wear jewelry, because we lose it.
Al: Would wearing a rubber glove be considered "safe-fisting?"
Chloe: Absolutely, but i prefer it without with my close friends and intimate contacts.
Al: I mean that as a goof, but have you actually demanded someone wear a rubber glove in the past?
Chloe: Oh yeah, like when I don't know someone. Like a bachelor at a bachelor party, I insist he wears a glove.
Al: So are your off camera sex-lives as or more exciting as they appear to be on-camera?
Ruby: Same orgasm.
Chloe: Same orgasmsssssss...
Ruby: Well, yeah...shit, I meant that, too. More than one for sure!
Al: hahaha!! Same people too?
Ruby: I have an old man that Chloe's been after for some time.
Chloe: On camera we both do a lot of the same people...off camera i just want Ruby's old man.
Al: A literal "old man" or old man as in boyfriend?
Ruby: Old man as in affectionate/boyfriend. 7 years and going strong.
Al: And you won't share, Ruby?
Ruby: Oh yeah, I'll share. Right place, right time.
Chloe: We're afraid I'll scare him away.
Al: What could possibly scare away 7 years?
Ruby: She meant scare him not scare him away. He's a more traditonal lover. Chloe likes spitting and choking and scratching and biting...
Al: Damn. A big fan of sex and the scars that come with it?
Chloe: Oh, let me tell you about the scars...
Al: Okay.. scars!
Chloe: Well I have 2 years and 2 months sober after a long 5 year addiction to the needle. They are some scars!
Al: I understand you are completely straight now, right? Straight in the "clean" sense as opposed to sexual..
Ruby and her ass. I think her ass has a career in itself.
Chloe: Yup, completey sober in all senses.
Al: How has it changed your life?
Chloe: In ways I could never explain in words... like a complete makeover...all fabulous!
Al: Did you have a sudden epiphany where you woke up one day and said "enough" or did the realization happen the slow, painful way?
Chloe: Slow and painful... I was a mess.
Al: What was the point where you considered yourself to be rock bottom? Was there a singular event or time that really sticks out when you think "low?"
Chloe: Macarthur park, bus bench sleeping out in the cold with the homeless people.
Al: Congratulations on your accomplishment. It is very good to hear!
Chloe: Thanks, it has been all good!!
Al: How long have you both been in porn for?
Chloe: Ruby has been in the business for 3 years, and the same for myself. We both feel like veterans!
Al: Ruby, how did the 7 year boy feel about your getting into the business? Was that a mututal decision?
Ruby: We made the decision together, we're swingers, and will be forever.
Al: He ever appear on-camera? Aside from home videos, that is...
Ruby: No, he's the mystery man... we've only made one so far.
Al: Is there an in-depth involved plot?
Ruby: Me, 20 years old, video camera on top of the t.v. But it was quite in depth... 9 inches!!
Al: Good segue to our next question... how important is size to both of you?
Chloe: As godzilla says..."size does matter." I'm a size queen!
Ruby: It's rigidity not size, as long as it's reasonable.
Al: What is reasonable? Perfect? and, if such a thing is possible, too much?
Ruby: Four inches and up. And yes, too much is definitely possible!
Chloe: Too much is never enough!
Al: What is the biggest you both have had?
Chloe: Mr. Marcus's fist!
Al: Fists not included, Chloe...
Chloe: All right...this guy named Spyder. My ex-boyfriend. Probably 9 inches, but like 10 inches in circumfrence. That's what is important...girth.
Ruby: Rocco... Actually I've had one bigger..a short white business man at a party.
Al: Is Rocco the mystery man?
Ruby: No, Rocco Siffredi.
Al: "short white business man." Were you surprised when he was... "unsheathed?"
Ruby: Extremely. Pleasantly surprised. I enjoy a challenge!
Chloe: We decided we need to plug something. So here it goes...
Al: Go for it.
If your mother knew what you were thinking right now...
Ruby: Chloe's new line, Shane's World 15 because my sister is in it... non-sex role, and come see me dance when I'm in your town.
Al: "Chloe's What Makes You Cum?" (Chloe's new line).
Chloe: Hey, how'd you know that?
Al: Research research...
Chloe: Oh... you're good!
Al: Thank you.
Chloe: "Chloe's What Makes U Cum?!!!" is a gonzo line I'm producing, directing, and starring in. It's through VCA and won't be out until February.
Al: VCA doesn't service us, but hopefully they will come around by then.
Chloe: VCA doesn't service anyone, I don't think.
Al: Will you be feature dancing, Ruby?
Ruby: Yes, I feature. As soon as get my touring schedule, I'll send it to you.
Chloe: I don't dance.
Al: I know. Why not, Chloe?
Chloe: I'm a producer... just kidding. I just haven't gotten around to learning yet.
Al: How to dance?
Chloe: Well, yeah. Ruby says she'll teach me, but I don't have time right now. Maybe tomorrow.
Al: All I can do is polka. Other than that I just look like a fool when I dance. It is amusing, at least, seeing a big tall guy wiggle like a fool.
Ruby & Chloe: We'd like to see that!
Al: Ha! You'll laugh, I guarantee it. Are you two going to the ECVS this year?
Ruby: Hell no, no jet lag!
The wonderful Ruby. We didn't put those little leaves there...
Al: Oh well, missed your chance.
Chloe: Yup, signing for AVN... reluctantly.
Al: Why reluctantly? It's where all the producers go.... heh heh.
Chloe: Because they have someone signing for them that I don't care for, and it's back to back with that trip to mexico that everyone's going on. The only cool thing about it is I'll be hanging out with Mark Logan from AVN. Very cool guy.
Al: If I ask who, will you tell me?
Chloe: Its a bird type name... one word.
Al: Not ringing a bell. Another hint please.
Chloe: Edgar Allen Poe.
Al: Raven?
Chloe: Close but not quite, and I won't tell you if you do guess it!
Al: Why the friction?
Chloe: The reason is she said I'm loud... can you imagine that??
Al: You loud? No way... I say "effervescent."
Chloe: That's more like it. If she had put it that way, everything would be kosher. So, what other dirt do you have on me?
Al: No dirt, but I also read that you had an accident as a kid that severed all the nerves in your clitoris. What happened, exactly?
Chloe: Fall on the monkey bars in the first grade playyard, straddled so to speak. All gone in an instant.
Al: Ouch!! I can empathize, I had a similar scooter accident in 7th grade that left me with stitches, scars and almost made me sterile...
Ruby: I'm lucky... all in working order.
Al: How much is that connected to your preference for a huge schlong and your love of S&M and fisting?
Chloe: Actually I think it is probably entirely connected to that accident... my need to find other ways to pleasure myself. Also, it made me very aware of that part of my body at a very young age .
Al: Ruby brought up Shane. Getting back to that, do you both know her?
Chloe, Cock, and someone who is not Ruby.
Ruby: Yeah.
Chloe: She had her fist in me once.
Al: Well, I'd say that's a big old YES, Chloe! We interviewed her last week for the same issue you two will be featured in. Ruby, does your sister want to get into regular porn? I know you said "non-sex" scene...
Ruby: No, she doesn't.
Chloe: Can you hold on?
Al: Sure. (a minute passes)
Chloe: We had to order a pizza.
Al: What did you get on it?
Ruby: Mushrooms, pepperoni, and my half with green peppers.
Al: Didn't you guys eat right before the interview? Are all porn stars that hungry? (Chloe had called that morning to say they were going to be a little late, she was picking up Ruby and then they were going to get some food).
Ruby: Nope, no food at all yet today except this here pizza.
Al: Yeesh. Eat up!! So Ruby, tell us about Mac.
Ruby: He's my pet boa constricter, long reptilian, sweet.
Al: How long is he and how long have you had him for?
Ruby: Had him for about 4 years, and he's about 7 feet.
Al: Who do you trust more? Your snake or your man?
Ruby: I trust both of them implicitly.
Al: At what age did you both lose your virginity, both to a man and a woman?
Ruby: Man and woman at fifteen, separate occassions.
Chloe: At age 12, maybe 11, almost 12, to two men, anal sex included.
Al: Young!! What were the circumstances behind it? For both of you?
Ruby: I planned mine for six months for the man, it was good. The woman was my best friend and we got real drunk and she ended up eating my pussy...
Chloe look so good, someone oughta put her on a plate and sop her up with a biscuit!
Chloe: I was horny.
Al: Man, short but sweet, Chloe.
Chloe: They didn't even know I was a virgin!
Al: How old were they?
Chloe: Dean was 15, Richard was 16.
Al: And to a woman, Chloe?
Chloe: I still haven't.
Al: Still haven't been with a woman? The compulsive liar strikes again...
Chloe: All right, I don't think it was until much later, and never one on one off camera. I'm a gay man trapped in a womans body... I lean way more towards dick!
Al: Was the first time up to par, beyond, or disappointing for both of you?
Ruby: He cheated eating pussy with his thumb, but otherwise a favorable night... and I used a condom.
Al: Did the guy or girl come first, Ruby? And I mean come, not cum...
Ruby: The guy came after me, the girl didn't cum, because I was afraid to eat her pussy
Al: I mean as far as chrolology.. were you with a guy or girl first?
Ruby: Within months apart, I really don't remember who got me first.
Al: Chloe?
Chloe: I can't really remember, but I liked having two guys... still do.
Al: I understand you do volunteer work, Chloe?
Chloe: When I can, for Harm Reduction Central, which is L.A.'s needle exchange, and sometimes for A.I.M., which is Adult Industry Medicine. I'm on the board of directors for that.
Al: How long have you been involved with them for? Is it very rewarding?
Chloe: Well, A.I.M. is just starting up, so we'll have to see. The nedle exchange is rewarding in the sense that I can see what I would still be like if I hadn't quit shooting drugs.
Al: Did you do heroin or were you involved with other substances?
Chloe: No, pretty much cocaine and speed. I was an upper person, because it had a downer effect on me... like heroin.
Al: Okay. Let's lighten it up. Have you ever had to do a scene with someone you absolutely are not attracted to?
Ruby: No, I don't take jobs like that.
Chloe: When I was very new I did a couple of people that I probably wouldn't do now.
Al: Have you actually refused jobs on that basis?
Ruby: Yes.
Chloe: Yeah, we both pretty much choose who we work with.
Al: Any actors in particular you don't, or do, like to work with?
Ruby: Oh yeah!
"How can you ever get tired of that ass, Takashi??"
Al: Such as?
Chloe: Our favorites are Steve Hatcher, Kyle Stone, Ian Daniels, Tony Tedesci...
Ruby: There are more people we like working with than not.
Al: Have either of you ever worked with Marc Wallice?
Ruby: No.
Chloe: Yes, he was an awesome fuck, and he was a great performer.
Al: I assume you have heard about his situation?
Ruby: Of course.
Chloe: Actually, he's doing counseling at the A.I.M.. office.
Al: What I had heard was that he was HIV+ and had kept it a secret from the industry and continued to work...
Chloe: There are a lot of rumors going around about anyone that gets HIV.
Al: Do you know if there is any truth to that one?
Chloe: We don't know... nobody but Marc knows that. But he's doing a lot better now... mentally and emotionally.
Al: Have their been a lot of tremors and fears about HIV in the industry recently?
Ruby: All the time, not just recently. All you can do is get tested regularly and USE CONDOMS ALL THE TIME!!
Al: Were you at all worried, Chloe, having worked with Marc?
Chloe: No.
Al: Let's move on.
Chloe: Okay.
Al: Unlike most of the porn stars today, you both seem to really enjoy being in the industry. You really get into the sex, and it comes through in your performances. Do you think that most of the girls are in the business just to get a paycheck? Is that your primary motive?
Ruby: I'd say half and half. I'm in the business to educate people about their sexuality... and I love fucking
Chloe: I'd say more than half are in for the money, which is funny 'cause the money ain't that great. I'm in for the dick.
Al: Your enthusiasm shows, in both cases. Wonderfully!! I think that this is absolutely the most attractive the porn industry has been in years, but the enthusiasm has dropped and it's a shame... so many seem to be just going through the motions.
Ruby: I think people are stressed.
Al: In what sense?
Ruby: I think that the health issues are stressing people who could be good performers into being scared performers.
Chloe: I think its because so many girls are here for the glamorous parts, and not the sex parts. If sex is done right, it shouldn't be glamorous. It should just be what it is.
Al: AAAAAAAAAAAMEN! Ever consider running a "how to be good in porn" workshop? It could be a joint venture for the two of you...
Ruby: Actually we have discussed this.
Al: Please, I will advertise it far and wide free of charge, just on principle.
Chloe: Cool, we'll call you when we get it together!
Al: What male and female celebrities would you both most like to boff?
Ruby: Jeff Goldblum, Jeanine Garrafulo.
Chloe: Gary Oldman and Johnny Depp at the same time. Ru Paul.
Al: Counting Ru Paul as a guy or girl?
Chloe: Girl.
Al: Chloe, tell us about Saboteur.
Chloe: It's my band. We got signed by Glassnote Records out there in NY, but it was a one time wonder. I'll be back in the studio at the end of next month to record new music for my vieo line.
Al: You mean the deal is no more?
Chloe: No, I'm still licensed to them, but it was just a cd single one time release.
Al: What is the music like?
Chloe: Techno/fuck music. Very hard. NIN like.
Al: What kind of music do you both like to listen to?
Ruby: Anything as long as it's good... especially swing.
Al: The "new" swing like Cherry Poppin' Daddies, or the old stuff?
Ruby: Yeah, like the new stuff.
Chloe: Hard edged, raw, intense. I still am a very big Bauhaus fan.
Al: You are a writer, right Ruby?
Chloe: Hang on a second. Ruby is having a bank problem, and is on the cell phone with her old man.
Al: Okay. You are trained in Ballet, correct?
Chloe: Yes. 11 years.
Al: Do you still train?
Chloe: Not train, but I still go on occassion.
Al: Why did you give it up? Training regularly...
Chloe: Burnt out at seventeen. Too political. Arthritis in the hips. Ruby's back, and yesshe is a writer.
Ruby: I wrote two columns for Hustler's "Busty Beauties," and I'll be writing a small article for a female stroke mag.
Al: What is the plot of your favorite story?
Ruby: Wow, let me think.
Al: Brief is fine...
Ruby: In that case, girl gets laid. End of story.
Al: Do you know Napolean, Chloe?
Chloe: The midget?
Al: Yes. You were in Fetish together, right?
Chloe: He works at Sin City, and he was in Fetish, but he was there on a different day from me.
Al: So, no dwarf scenes in your past or future...
Chloe: Nope.
Al: What if it was a dwarf with 15 inches, 4 gallons of ice cream, a bullwhip and two large pies with pepperoni? And HUGE hands?
Chloe: Nope.
Al: Okay. Had to ask. I know someone like that who is a big fan. Your mom is your best friend, correct?
Chloe: Yes, Ma is my best friend, and then Ruby.
Al: Has she been supportive of your career?
Chloe: She went to the AVN awards with me.
Al: Wow! Was she supportive from the go or did it take time for her to be comfortable with it?
Chloe: She's glad I'm off drugs and happy that I'm happy. She's been supportive of me from the start.
Al: Has the rest of your family been as supportive?
Chloe: Yes... in fact my sister, Cleo, does bondage movies and internet stuff.
Al: What advice would you give to a guy who had a three inch dick?
Chloe: Be as charming as you can.
Al: Good advice! Can you stand on your hands?
Chloe: If there is a good reason.
Al: For how long?
Chloe: As long as that reason takes.
Al: What comes out of your mouth when you stub your toe really bad?
Chloe: FUCK!
Al: How about when you find out something really wonderful and surprising that you weren't expecting and it shocks the hell out of you?
Chloe: FUCK!
Al: Do they sound the same?
Chloe: Not exactly, but close.
Al: What would you rather do than wait in line at the DMV?
Chloe: FUCK!
Al: What can the world powers do to improve the international situation?
Chloe: isn't this getting to be a bit obvious?
Al: Yes... but I am still laughing...
Chloe: Me, too! Unfortunately, we're also out of time...
Al: Okay. Before you go, please give me 4 last words of wisdom, each of you.
Ruby: Only four or can it be a motto?
Al: Motto is fine!
Ruby: Be true to thyself.
Chloe: Conscience is your enemy, but only when you're doing something wrong.